Old Saybrook has some learnin' to do...

by Admin 25. November 2011 12:58

 

Went to the Old Saybrook Police Department to pick up FOI documents on Saturday Nov 19th. I was not concealing my firearm as there are no laws or ordinances mandating I do so. 

 

The officer/dispatcher behind the glass at the front desk decided he 'needed to see my permit'. I informed him 'no he didn't'. This happened twice. I left without detention or further harassment.

 

LEOs in CT have no reason or powers to request pistol permits from people who are carrying their firearms unconcealed. This officer has hopefully learned that. If not, I advise him to read the CGS and Terry v. Ohio. This officer chose to request my permit, but (wisely) decided not to escalate the matter when I refused to provide it.

 

I had recently discussed the behavior of Old Saybrook's officers with Chief Spera and he told me that he 'expects someone open carrying to be treated like any other member of the public'. 

 

Listen to the audio and ask yourself if any other member of the public would have been asked for further ID (I already provided my driver's license to prove who I was for the pickup) for simply walking into the PD lobby.

You can hear the officer/dispatcher request my permit and get denied at around :30 and 2:50. He follows the second one with a loud "Whats that?" as if to ask what I said. It is clear he heard me both times. It is also clear he is has no legal obligation or power to demand anything from me.

 

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FOI documents from Middletown city hall incident

by Admin 12. September 2011 08:07

I have received the police incident report from the Middletown Police department. The incident in question is one where a retired LEO was carrying concealed and inadvertently exposed his firearm. The result was multiple police officers confronting the man with guns drawn.

Based on the police incident report, it sure looks to me like the Middletown Police need training in how to properly treat law abiding citizens who are legally carrying their firearms.

The Middletown Police Department's reckless overreaction to a man's human rights and lawful behavior could have gotten someone injured or killed. They also brought the possibility of tremendous liability upon themselves and their city.

It should also be noted that the records division took an excessive amount of time to release this report, the desk clerk gave me a bad attitude about it, and they charged an amount in excess of what the FOI act allows. A complaint has been filed with regards to their abuses with the FOI commission. 

Previous discussion:

Response received from Middletown FOI request

FOIA request sent for Middletown City Hall police scare

 

Middletown City Hall Incident.pdf (2.06 mb)

Interview on War on Guns (NBC 1260AM)

by Admin 12. August 2011 12:05

David Codrea was nice enough to air an interview with me today discussing the open carry fight in Connecticut and my Wallingford case in particular.

Many thanks to Mr. Codrea for giving some national spotlight to my case and our fight in Connecticut. We could use all the help we can get. There is a long, uphill fight ahead of us.

Full radio show audio

Just the interview audio

War on Guns radio

Gun rights examiner column

War on Guns blog

 

FOI request to Old Saybrook ignored - Round 3

by Admin 31. July 2011 11:54

It looks like the Old Saybrook police department has decided to ignore my requests for prompt access to the documents and transcripts regarding the complaint I filed. It has been over thirty days since they received my previous request and I have received no response.

So round 3 begins with my new request:

FOI request

For reference: 

Round 2

Round 1

I think it is time for Old Saybrook to consider taking civil rights violations seriously.

Federal Civil Rights Lawsuit filed against Wallingford

by Admin 18. July 2011 12:09

Burgess v. Wallingford has been filed in Federal Court. 

This is in response to my arrest on May 15, 2010.

Attorney Rachel Baird and Attorney Douglas Hall have signed on to represent me in this case. 

 

Rachel M. Baird
CT Fed Bar #12131
Law Office of Rachel M. Baird
379 Prospect Street
Torrington CT 06790-5238

Douglas A. Hall, Attorney
CT Fed Bar #29687
379 Prospect Street
Torrington CT 06790-5238

Most people have heard of Attorney Baird due to Goldberg v Glastonbury. You can expect that many people will know of Attorney Hall soon. Attorney Douglas Hall is the former Executive Officer of the Department of Public Safety Special Licensing and Firearms Unit. His work on this case is greatly appreciated. I can't think of too many people that could better understand firearms issues in the State of Connecticut and understands police organizations and how they work (or should work).

You can contribute to this case financially: Donations

FOI request sent to Old Saybrook (again)

by Admin 3. July 2011 09:15

Old Saybrook has had more than a reasonable amount of time to conduct their investigation into my complaint and I am again sending them a FOI request for the documents, contents and conclusions of that investigation.

I previously wrote about this, and I have sent the same request again.

It is time to see if Old Saybrook is going to do the right thing or the wrong thing.

FOI request

$55,000 awarded to man falsely arrested for 'brandishing' a handgun

by Admin 2. July 2011 16:39

Consider this the first big win in the new age of civil suits against cities and police departments in the state of Connecticut with regards to bad arrests regarding firearms.

Felipe Rodriguez is his name.

Apparently in 2005, he was arrested following a dispute over a parking spot where the person who had confronted him over the parking spot had alleged he had 'waved' a handgun around.

The West Haven police department failed to do any kind of real investigation, and instead arrested him for breach of peace and reckless endangerment. Seeing as how there was no evidence or any probable cause, the charges were nolled. Mr. Rodriguez pursued a civil case against the city and has now been awarded $55,000 in compensatory damages.

This is good news. This is proof positive that whether a gun is 'involved' or not in Connecticut, police do not have unlimited powers to just arrest or detain anyone they want at anytime they want to. Let the path of lawsuits and case law begin.

Read more:
http://nhregister.com/articles/2011/...b306089445.txt
http://www.scribd.com/doc/59153540/R...-vs-West-Haven

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Response received from Guilford (non) event FOI request

by Admin 28. June 2011 20:00

I have received the response in writing from the Guilford Police Department regarding the (non) event I experienced at the Wendys in Guilford.

This response confirms to me that nobody in the restaurant that day was alarmed enough or even considered it abnormal enough to report my open carrying to the police officer while he stood maybe 10 feet away from me.

FOI response

 

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Response received from Middletown FOI request

by Admin 28. June 2011 20:00

I have recieved a response to my request for information regarding the incident of the person who had weapons drawn on him in the Middletown City Hall for being in possession of a firearm.

 

No actual information yet, but the response indicates they will be in contact.

 

FOI response

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FOIA request sent for Middetown City Hall police scare

by Admin 25. June 2011 16:19

I think it is in the best interest of the open carry community to know what happened in this incident with more detail than what is presented in this story:

Officers respond to pistol carrier with guns drawn in city hall.

Something very wrong happened here and the Middletown police need to have sunlight laid upon them and this incident. 

 

FOI request

FOI request sent to Guilford about (non) incident at Wendys

by Admin 25. June 2011 09:08

A FOI request was sent to Guilford regarding the non incident I reported on a short while ago.

Figure this can go one of two ways:

 1) Either there will be no reports of anyone contacting the police.

 2) There was a report to the police who invesitgated and found no reason to interfere.

 

Either way, I consider it a win for rights in Guilford. Either citizens just don't care about people openly carrying firearms, or the police understand the proper way to investigate and don't feel obligated to detain someone just because that person has a firearm on them.

FOI Request

Interesting non-event at Wendys in Guilford

by Admin 5. June 2011 09:02

We decided to start national OC day by grabbing some lunch at Wendys in Guilford. When we got in line, there were a lot more people in line than we thought there would be, but no big deal. I am not a huge fan of standing in large crowds while OCing (situational awareness and hyper vigilance can be stressful). Got the normal curious looks and stuff, but no faces of terror and panic like some people would have you believe. Business as usual. Ordered, paid, manager and cashiers at the front seemed to notice my firearm, but did not appear too concerned and made no mention of it. (Again, this is typical of most times that I OC)

We sat down and were finishing up our meal when I see a Guilford PD Ford Expedition pull into the parking lot. I made my girlfriend aware of this just in case it turned into anything. We continued to sit there eating and talking and we observed the officer walk in looking like he was checking out every male's hip on the way in. I told my girlfriend at this point that "He is looking for me". No big deal, not my first time, and he seems relaxed enough, but I do like to be aware of my surroundings. Not enjoyable to be suprised by law enforcement, especially if they are not friendly. We continued our conversation and figured I would be contacted at any moment.

The officer appears to be a supervisor (I assume by his vehicle and his age), and he walks up to the cashier area. He talks (possibly ordering) and after what seemed like a little longer than necessary, he walks out with his bag of food.

What do I take out of this? There are a few possibilities:

 - He was called, knew the law, figured he could check it out while grabbing some food, learned from the management that I was polite and professional and was simply eating a burger. Knowing the law and the current situation in Connecticut, there is no reason for him to contact me. No law is being broken.

 - He wasn't called and was just coming in for some lunch. When he got inside, someone alerted him to my presence near the door and he checked for himself, but again found that the management had no issue with me and decided to not make contact.

 - He was simply getting lunch and either he walks into every place checking out people's hips, or this was misperceived by both of us.

I doubt the last one is the most likely from the behavior I witnessed, but regardless, this is a positive encounter. Here is why:

Either 

 - He knew the law enough that when he either got a call or was alerted to my presence that he knew he didn't have to make contact if I wasn't doing anything else wrong.

 - None of the people in the restaurant cared enough (because I can assure you they all noticed enough) about my openly carried firearm to even mention it to an officer while he was casually standing in a Wendys. This is not at all implausible, this is our standard observation of people's reaction to OC. It doesn't explain him apparently checking out every male's hip on the way in.

Either way, I consider this a strong, positive encounter with OC in Connecticut. I have suspected this kind of thing has happened before, but we have never had such direct affirmation of no one caring about OC as this incident gave us. And that is the 'goal', right? No one should care about OC. Just another law abiding citizen who has accepted the personal responsibility of providing for his own defense.

If the officer in Guilford was responding to my being there and it is as I think it is, then I want to thank the Guilford PD and that officer for knowing the law and reacting appropriately. At least 2 dozen Wendys customers saw a man with a holstered firearm (Glock 23 w/TLR 1 in a Galco Halo) walk in, order, eat and have an officer walk in, order, eat and everything was completely kosher. This is the best way that I know of to send a positive message and image to the people and officers of Connecticut.

I think the best thing to do now is to make a FOIA request to Guilford PD and see if they did, in fact, receive and/or respond to any calls of MWAG at Wendys today. This should at least tell us what scenario played out. If Guilford did respond and that was the reaction, I will personally thank the officer for his professional handling of the situation.

As stated in the goals of the national OC day, it should be a non-event. This was more of an event than I normally even get while OCing, but I feel it was a positive one that shows the tide is changing in Connecticut.

Wallingford case hits national news thanks to AAR

by Admin 13. April 2011 15:15

Mark Walters of Armed American Radio read the email I sent him on air during his last show and has stated he will be in contact this week to discuss the Wallingford case on the air.

This will mean the Wallingford case as well as our issues here in CT with LEOs abusing their power should be getting national coverage soon. 

AAR Audio

Attorney Rachel Baird retained for Wallingford false arrest case

by Admin 12. April 2011 12:22

I have retained the services of Attorney Rachel Baird (http://www.rachelbairdlaw.com/) who has agreed to pursue the case against the Wallingford PD for my arrest on 5/16/2010. Attorney Baird is a great attorney who has been working hard for our second amendment rights in Connecticut for years now. She has been the Attorney who has been making great progress on the Goldberg and Kuck cases, and my case will follow these cases in exposing misconduct and corruption with regards to our 2nd and 4th amendment rights in this state.

Obviously, this is an exciting development for this issue and for the issue of open carry rights in Connecticut. Following Goldberg v. Glastonbury, these cases promise to shape opinion around not only open carry, but also around 4th amendment rights and police power in the state of Connecticut.

This is going to be an expensive lawsuit. I am prepared and have already begun to personally finance this case. With how important this case is for other law abiding citizens in Connecticut, I would appreciate if anybody who can do so would go to my donation page and make a donation towards this cause. We need to send a clear message to police and politicians in Connecticut that we will not stand idly by when they violate our rights. Please remember that my costs will continue to mount for months and years as the federal civil system moves very slowly and Wallingford is sure to drag this out for as long as they can. Please consider making a recurring donation for every week or month. Whatever you can spare, I would greatly appreciate.

 

 

Spoke with manager of Old Saybrook Starbucks

by Admin 18. October 2010 14:09

I got a return phone call today from Greg Thompson who identifies himself as the manager of Old Saybrook Starbucks.


He seems to be aware of the legality of open carry (now) and says I am welcome back anytime. He was apologetic for what happened.

He mentioned that the employee indicated that they were nervous due to a bunch of crime happening lately in Old Saybrook. I think we both were in agreement this is not a reasonable justification to expel someone and mock them from a restaurant that publicly welcomes law abiding citizens (armed or otherwise) in their restaurants all across the country.

He assures me that it will not happen again and that I am welcome. He also says that he will have his district manager call me. That will be good, because before I step foot in the restaurant again, I will need to make sure I have a letter from the district manager saying that I am welcome there as long as I am obeying the law whether I am armed or not. I am not going to take the risk of entering that store again and giving Sgt Gardner the excuse he seems to be hot for and let him arrest me for trespass.

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Audio for illegal detention encounter in Old Saybrook on 10-16-10

by Admin 18. October 2010 13:34

http://subtlehustle.org/oldsaybrooki...0detention.mp3


Sorry about the audio quality, they insisted on us standing outside where the wind was whipping through. I did my best, and I think you can understand all of the relevant parts, but the wind sounds are certainly annoying.

The audio begins after I have already asked if I am being detained, Sgt Gardner says 'Yes'. I am being taken outside, and I had retrieved my voice recorder from my pocket. So you catch me saying "no it isn't" in reply to the other officer's question of "Are you aware that CT is a concealed carry state?".

Things to take note of:

- Sgt Gardner's increasingly aggressive (and unprofessional) attitude when I state my rights despite me being very cooperative and polite. There is no reason he cannot let me speak my part and then get my ID. During this time, I am retrieving my ID from my wallet, so I am already in the process of complying. At no time do I raise my voice, make threats, act rude or condescending. At no point do I indicate that I will not comply with any of his requests. I simply state on record that his requests are not legal. If he is confident of the legality of my detainment, why is he getting agitated and nervous? What is he implying he will arrest me for when he asks if I "want to take this further?". Is he threatening arrest or violence?

- The woman near the end who sees me, armed in detention with two officers squared off against me, who is obviously not at all alarmed or threatened by me who asks me and an officer for directions to the DMV.

- Right at the end as I reenter the store with Sgt Gardner, I ask "So I guess you talked to someone and found out this is legal?" he replies "I am not convinced" and I ask "Can I give you a few resources where you can get more information?" and he declines saying he has enough information. Interesting he is releasing an armed man from detainment when he feels that is breaking a law. Nevermind that he at no time mentions what a supposed charge would look like should he arrest me. Only the half uniformed officer mentions breach of peace to me and demonstrates his lack of understanding of that statute.

- A new officer walks up to relieve the half uniformed officer who is detaining me. I ask "So are you aware open carry is legal in CT?" he replies "Yes". So what am I being detained for? Why is this officer willing to step into what he knows to be an illegal detainment of a law abiding citizen?

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Illegal detainment in Old Saybrook at Starbucks

by Admin 16. October 2010 16:22

This morning I was sitting with my girlfriend at the bar area in the Old Saybrook Starbucks. I was open carrying like I normally do. We were both using our laptops, me doing some work, she was working on school work. The bar area is behind the main seating area, but we sit there because it has more space for us to spread out and get real work done. The area is not highly visible, but plenty of people can see us.

This is not at all our first time working in Starbucks (especially since they made the WIFI free!), and I open carry just about everywhere. Also, knowing Starbucks' national policy, we were even more at ease than normal (which is really relaxed!).

We were there for maybe about an hour when I started noticing various employees looking at me funny. Shortly after, two Old Saybrook police officers walk in. One turns out to be Sergeant Gardner. The other is without his uniform shirt. Sergeant Gardner walks up to where I am sitting and says hello. I turn around, say hello back, and turn back to my work. 

He then asks me to step outside with him. I ask him "I'm sorry, am I being detained?". He replies that I am. I say ok, no problem. I then ask him if he minds if I reach in my pocket. He says ok, I do, he for some reason gets a bit alarmed, but I show him it is just my voice recorder. He seems fine with this. I arm the recorder and start recording. 

As we walk outside, the officer proceeds to tell me that Connecticut is a 'concealed carry state'. I inform him that it is not. We get outside, where Sergeant Gardner proceeds to request my pistol permit. I reply to this effect:

"I will do that, but I want you to understand beforehand that I do not consent to any searches or seizures and that I am only giving you my permit under duress." 

During which he rudely interrupts several times with demands for my ID. I make sure to finish, and supply him with my permit. He pauses for a second and then tells me he needs my drivers license as well. I again protest and tell him I don't understand what he needs it for since he should be more than fine with my permit. He insists (belligerently) and I again make it clear I am doing so under duress. 

He takes my ID over to the parking lot where I assume he ran my IDs which obviously turn up nothing. During the time I speak to the other officer (his name escapes me at the moment, but I did get him to introduce himself on the recording). We have a bit of a conversation where I explain that he is incorrect about CT being a 'concealed carry state' and that open carry is legal and that they are not allowed under law to detain me or demand my ID. He of course does not agree. He states that I 'alarmed people' and that I would be subject to arrest for breach of peace. I politely but assertively inform him that breach of peace is a settled issue and that he is incorrect and that making an arrest like he is talking about would be a bad idea legally. We debate very briefly about the language of the statute, but I can tell he is only going to give me the standard drivel that we always get, and I choose to hand over the CCDL documents instead and invite him to take a good look since I think he could stand a refresher course on the law in CT.

He also makes the statement that I should look at my permit and that it is a 'concealed carry permit'. I tell it would be difficult to do so since they had seized it from me, but if he had a permit I would be happy to show him the error in his understanding. He says he does have a permit, but never produces it. What a shame. 

A new officer (Patrolman Demarco) arrives on scene and relieves the officer detaining me. The Sergeant is still on the radio, and I think talking to another (possibly superior) officer who has arrived. Patrolman Demarco walks up and I strike up a conversation with him. I indicate "Just so you know I am armed, I am not sure what you know about this". He says that of course he knows I am armed, that is why he is here. No problem, just making sure I don't get shot or tackled by a nervous LEO who is not properly briefed on the situation.

I ask Patrolman Demarco "Are you aware open carry is legal in CT?". He replies "Yes". I laugh a bit and make a point that I shouldn't be detained if it is legal. He backtracks and says they are still trying to determine legality and such. That is fine. Whatever.

We talk a little bit more, I present him the same documents to help him out.

The Sergeant comes back to me and hands me my ID. The way he approached, I thought for sure I was being handcuffed, but obviously could not be too worried considering how wrong they were. It would have been a shame to waste my coffee though. 

To my surprise it seems I am free to go. Sounds like someone talked this Sergeant down and explained the error in his thinking. Good on whoever did that. I wish they had been the responder and then maybe I wouldn't have been illegally detained in the first place. 

The Sergeant goes inside to talk to the employees. I should mention that the first officer to detain me indicated that an employee (!!) had called them when I asked if this was a citizen complaint. He goes in, comes out a few minutes later and tells me I am free to go, but they don't want me inside. I say I understand that it is their right, but that I need to grab my laptop and my stuff before I go. He escorts me in and I pack up. During this time, I tell him he is letting me go, so he must have found out it is legal. He indicates that he still does not agree. 

I find that point interesting. He feels I am breaking the law, but does not arrest me. Surprisingly, he doesn't even mention that I should conceal or anything else (I hear about this from most arrest free encounters). 

So here I am. I am at the Meriden Starbucks now, no arrest, but in almost exactly the same condition as St. John from New Mexico.

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-carry-lawsuit

Interestingly enough, I was never disarmed though. I guess that is a step in the right direction? I still don't think any of this is acceptable, so this a pretty small consolation.

Now, for Starbucks involvement, I have tried contacting them, but they are not open on weekends, so I guess I will pursue this during the week. I think some serious violations of policy and customer relations happened here. We were all made to believe that their policy was that they would defer to state law and they would not provide a problem for open carriers as long as no law is being broken. And yet, I had the police called and I was asked to leave the store.

I cannot imagine it will be too difficult to rectify this through their customer relations, but I guess I will find out. I am more than a little disappointed in them. I wouldn't be able to argue too much if a customer had done this, but this was their employee.

We confirmed this a bit since my girlfriend was still inside when I was detained and listened to the employees mock, criticize and joke about my detainment stating opinions like "he can't do that, it needs to be concealed!" and such nonsense. Apparently she also got the clear impression of the actual employee who called it in, who was boasting about it. 

Also, we have information that the police disclosed my permit status to the manager for no reason. Something I will pursue when I have the opportunity. That is another CT statute we need to make sure the Old Saybrook PD learns about.

More later, I will definitely release the recording when I have a chance to go over it and make sure no personal information (like I have any anymore thanks to officers...) is contained. I think I also need to trim the end off the recording since I think I let the recorder run a bit long.

Listened to a bit of it, and I think I got most of it. It is really windy today though and they made me stand outside shivering while I was detained, so it might be a little noisy. I will do my best.

Thanks everyone for beating it into my head to have a recorder. I think this should be a great example for future OCers what a CT police encounter can be like and how to respond appropriately. I will let you guys judge for yourselves though. 

More to come... stay tuned...

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Arrest for Disorderly Conduct in Wallingford

by Admin 16. May 2010 22:00

 

On Sunday, May 16th 2010 around 19:00 hours, I entered Yale Billiards in Wallingford, CT at 950 Yale Avenue. I was with my girlfriend Anna Filipkowska. I was wearing my Glock 23 in an outside the waistband holster on my right hip and I had two spare magazines on my back. I was wearing cargo shorts and my blue CCDL t-shirt. My firearm was uncovered as were my magazines in accordance with Connecticut state law since I have a valid permit to carry a firearm.

We talked with the girl up front and paid for the use of a table. We set up at our table and proceeded to play pool. Our table was against the back wall of the establishment. There were at least 40 people in the pool hall. We had no trouble entering the establishment and received no comments. We noticed no concern in the looks we received and felt pretty comfortable.

After playing pool (badly) for about 20-30 minutes, a man quietly approached me. He identified himself as the owner of Yale Billiards. He was polite and professional and did not seem angry, alarmed or unhappy. He simply had a concern of my firearm being exposed. As he explained, he was not aware that it was legal to openly carry a firearm in Connecticut. I informed him it was legal and I handed him some literature that I carry at all time to help educate the public to the laws regarding the carry of a firearm (and potentially explain things to law enforcement if needed) . I told the owner that he had the right to ask me to leave and that we would do so peacefully and quietly if he asked. He had asked me if I would conceal instead, and I told him that was not an option and that I would be happy to leave instead. He didn’t seem to have an issue with the open carry but was concerned about allowing illegal behavior in his establishment. He told us to continue to play pool and that he would go check out what I gave to him and asked if I would mind if he were to ask the Wallingford Police Department about the legality. I told him I had no problem with that. Everything went calmly, quietly, politely and professional on both sides.

I don’t believe the owner was at all upset with me and I was not at all upset with the owner. The owner walked away and stopped to talk to someone in the middle of the room. Anna and I continued to play pool as we were doing before. We took about 1 or 2 more turns when a large man in a New York Yankees jersey who appeared very hostile and aggressive came charging towards me from across the room. I had not previously noticed this man and I had no idea who he was. He came up to me and got right in my face. Very loudly, he shouted “Are you going to conceal that? You need to conceal that! If you don’t conceal that I will call the police!” motioning towards my firearm. I felt threatened by his irrational and unreasonable actions. He was inside my personal space and I moved my body to try and position my firearm outside of his reach. I had a pool stick in my hand that I was trying to put down because I didn’t want anyone to get the impression I was waving it around or anything. Things were happening too fast though and I suspect I didn’t get as far along with either of these ideas as I would have liked to. During his verbal assault, I could only reply “Are you the owner?” and “Who are you?”. I believed I had already met the owner, who was still within sight and seemed bewildered by this behavior. I was trying to figure out if this new person was employed there, or was law enforcement or what was going on. He would not answer me. He only got louder and more irate. I backed away and he started walking around the hall yelling to everyone things like “He cannot carry that here because you serve alcohol” and other legal misinformation. He then went towards the front and left my range of vision.

At this point, the owner shook off his own shock and walked towards me and I looked to him and Anna and said “I think we better leave here so we don’t cause you any further disruptions, we will go deal with the police outside”. I had never seen this kind of reaction to my lawful open carry of a firearm and I was a bit confused. I certainly didn’t want to see this man’s business interrupted any more than it had already been by this confused aggressor. The owner agreed and seemed somewhat relieved that he didn’t have to make issue of this with us and that we already understood. We picked up our things, racked the balls back up, put our pool sticks in the rack where they came from, and walked to the front desk. The owner joined us there and we handed our balls back in. I noticed the aggressor was now standing in front of the door of the pool hall blocking our exit. I recall Anna even said this to me as we were approaching the door “Oh god, now he is blocking the door”. We continued to go towards the door, but I was now concerned there would be some other altercation. I simply wanted to get outside where less people would be in jeopardy should this unknown aggressor become more irate. He appeared to be on the phone and I assumed it was with the police. I was fine with this since I knew I had broken no laws and he had. I did fear that he would grow more aggressive if the police did what they should be trained to do and inform him that open carry in Connecticut is legal and that he was the only one breaking a law. This would be better handled outside with police present. As it turns out, at the last minute, the man moved outside leaving the door unblocked. I was able to see him walk out to the parking lot where he seemed to be getting more agitated with the operator he was talking with. I suspect he thought I would try to flee the scene, but I had no intentions of doing so. Again, I was not in violation of any laws and he was, I had nothing at all to hide from. We got outside, where I kept an eye on the aggressor who was pacing back and forth in the parking lot. I was concerned he might do something dangerous since he had (for no seeming reason) exclaimed to the entire pool hall that he has a pistol permit as well. This to me implies he might have a firearm, and clearly he is not someone who is rational and aware enough of the laws for me to trust with one.

Fortunately he seemed far more into his outlandish 911 call than with us. We took a seat on the bench directly outside the door of the pool hall. Within a very short amount of time we were joined by Seth T.. He was a player from inside who had seen what went down. I could tell immediately he was on our side and not at all worried or threatened by us. His first comment was (motioning towards the aggressor) “You can’t fix stupid.”. I agreed and laughed. The comic relief was much appreciated. He asked me various questions about open carry and CT law, and we had a good discussion about the legality of what I was doing. He mentioned that the aggressor was not a regular I got the feeling he was not looked favorably upon. I got the impression this guy had caused problems before.

I asked Anna to retrieve another copy of the literature explaining the laws of carry so that we could make sure the police were aware of the laws. Our best copy had been left with the owner of Yale Billiards. She went to the car which was a bit to the right of where the aggressor was pacing. She got the documents and sat back down next to me on the bench. The aggressor now went over and took photos of my car and the license plate. This was odd and I felt an over stepping of boundaries considering I was sitting quietly in plain sight of him on the bench. I was obviously not looking to leave or flee.

Within moments we had somewhere around 6 people outside hanging out around us asking questions and voicing sympathy with what went down. No one seemed very happy with the aggressor. The owner came outside at various points to check on things, but still did not necessarily seem unhappy with us. I am sure he was unhappy with the situation, but I am sure he understood that we had not caused the situation, the aggressor had. We asked him if it was alright that we wait on the benches in front of his door, and he said it would be fine.

I am not sure how long the police took to arrive, but it seemed to be about 15 minutes or so. When we did start to see them, they made a perimeter around the large parking complex in front of the building and slowly moved closer. At some point I saw the aggressor disappear from site and I assume he was talking to an officer. The people near me on the bench and I were still having a friendly discussion and we were a bit shocked to see such an overreaction to my complete and friendly cooperation, but we continued to sit quietly. The people made it clear they were there to let the police know what was really going down and not let the aggressor get the only word. I appreciated the support.

The police were now taking up cover behind cars and near trees. I tried numerous times to wave them down in a friendly manner and try to let them know I was not hostile or anything else and that I was the one they were looking for. They ignored me.

At least 6 police officers finally approached where we were sitting. They immediately told everyone else but Anna and I to leave despite there being no hostile actions on anyone’s part. I am not aware of why they would assume any danger or anything else to be present. One of the officers (the sergeant at the scene) talked first and told me to stay still and not move my hands or make any sudden movements. I of course complied. He reached down, unholstered my Glock and proceeded to unload it. I found this to be a bit dangerous. We could have handed the entire firearm over still in the holster so that he could unload it somewhere where there wasn’t a group of people and without the possibility of a negligent discharge.

I was still sitting during this. I was now asked to stand up where Officer Garcia immediately placed me in handcuffs. I did not resist at all, but I did start asking what I was being detained for and what the charge was that they planned on arresting me for since they had now made it clear that they would not deal with this in a rational manner. Their reply was that I was carrying a firearm in the open and that I had caused an issue and that it would be for breach of peace. I told them (correctly) that open carry is not illegal in Connecticut and that I was not the person who had caused a disturbance. I mentioned several times that the problem causer was the guy in the NY Yankees jersey still pacing around the parking lot.

They ignored me. Whenever I got the chance I would ask another officer if he realized that open carry was legal and that they needed to understand the law before making a false arrest. Every officer on scene that I talked to told me “Open carry is definitely not legal in Connecticut”. I could see I was not going to be getting anywhere. It was obvious I was going to be arrested because the officers were not at all aware of basic firearms laws in the State of Connecticut. I even had at least one officer jokingly ask me when I thought the law had changed. He laughed when I told him the law had always allowed open carry.

Just before I was handcuffed I had tried to hand them the same information I had handed the owner. That paperwork was thrown to the ground and stepped on by the officers. I made reference to it multiple times and told them they could learn a lot about the laws and avoid this wrongful arrest if they would just read what I had handed them. No one wanted to listen to anything. Clearly they felt I was a criminal and should be treated poorly because I had a firearm on my hip.During the time I was in handcuffs and before they transported me a couple of odd boundary violations occurred. One of them was when the officers continually asked me if I had firearms in my car. I repeatedly told them “No, but it is none of your business and not relevant to the topic at hand.” since both myself and Anna are permit holders it would make no difference if we did possess more firearms or not. This was a very odd request. I could not figure out what relevance the officers were using to relate my open carry with the possible presence of firearms in my car. Later, Officer Garcia would ask me if I had more firearms at home. I refused to answer that question as well. It again was not a relevant question. I would also argue that it was not appropriate either. I spoke to Officer Garcia about this on the way to the PD when they transported me. I asked him why he had asked me this and he said “Just polite conversation” and that “I looked like someone who had a lot of firearms”. I informed him that the question made me uncomfortable, especially since they were essentially sending Anna away unarmed with a violent person lurking in the parking lot. That brings me to the other ridiculous boundary violation I witnessed. While I was in handcuffs, the police officers decided to ID and search Anna and her belongings. I am not sure where they got the idea to do this, but since Anna had nothing to hide she did consent. Looking back we have decided that she probably could and should have stood up to them since they had no right to embarrass her like that.

When they asked her for ID, she handed them her pistol permit. The police officer told her that was unacceptable and requested her driver’s license instead. Why the police felt a state issued pistol permit is not a valid ID is beyond me. I advised her that next time she would probably do better to stick to verbally giving them her name and date of birth and not consenting to any searches of any kind. They deserved nothing further from her being a simple bystander. Especially since with all the ridiculous boundary violations, they never even bothered to ask her about the actual incident or get a statement. I was also questioned as to why I have a New Hampshire permit to carry, which I refused to answer with any kind of structured answer since it had nothing to do with the current situation. I then had an officer (Officer Garcia I believe) ask me if I had ever been to Ohio. I replied yes (there are not a whole lot of states in this country I could say no to), I was there on business a few times. He then accused me of some kind of domestic violence arrest in front of everyone. I have never been arrested in Ohio or anywhere else for that matter (well, up until this arrest). Certainly not in Ohio. Certainly never for domestic violence. I asked several times for some kind of proof of this or where I could get the same information they pulled up. I was replied to with “You did it, you should know about it.”. Again I was treated like a criminal because I lawfully carried a firearm. The officers would not even answer whether that had come back with just my name or whether they had run my license. I still have no clarification on this, but I know it to not be truthful. Perhaps this was some kind of intimidation tactic? This whole fiasco lasted what seemed like 15 or 20 minutes. At that point the sergeant on scene who had taken my firearm instructed Officer Garcia to transport me for Breach of Peace. Officer Garcia pulled his cruiser around and loaded me in the back. I may not be experienced with riding in the backs of police cars, but this back seat was tiny. I would expect more legroom in a Toyota Prius. We drove to the Police Department, where Officer Garcia assisted me out of the car and into the booking area. He removed my handcuffs, which was a relief since they were bruising my wrists up pretty badly. Officer Garcia proceeded with booking me. He asked me several paper work questions that I cooperatively answered. He read me my rights and asked me to waive my rights and make a statement, telling me that not doing so “would really hurt my chances in court”. I laughed and informed him he should probably keep that legal advice to himself. I told him that before I would make a statement, I needed to know if I was being charged and if so, what I was being charged with. Officer Garcia informed me I was now being charged with Disorderly Conduct. I refused to waive my rights, but I did initial his form that stated I had been read my Miranda rights. I saw no value in stating my side of the story if they were charging me anyway, but expressed curiosity about the change in charges. I was informed by Officer Garcia that it was because I was not being arrested for the open carry of my firearm now, but instead for creating a disturbance at the pool hall. I laughed and told him that was news to me. I had not created any disturbance at the pool hall, but instead the aggressor in the parking lot had. He ignored me. I was fingerprinted and mug shots were taken. I cooperated with both. I made sure to find out that my arresting officer was in fact an Officer Flood. I did not recognize his name from the scene, but later I would (vaguely) remember his face from the scene.

I was finally informed that I was going to be released on a promise to appear and that they would let me go after Officer Garcia brought me upstairs. I walked upstairs with him where I got to see Anna for a minute and then went right back into the office. In the office was Officer Garcia, the Sergeant and Officer Flood. On the table was my Glock, my three magazines and a bag full of my ammunition. Why they felt the need to unload every round from every magazine, I have no idea. They informed me that I would be leaving with my firearm and my property. I found this interesting and used the opportunity to ask what would happen if I reholstered it and open carried out of the police department. I was told that nothing would happen and that open carry was legal. The sergeant even went so far as to say “We really need to get more education on this.”. I was a bit surprised with the completely different mood and attitude amongst the officers in the room. They were no longer openly hostile and treating me like a criminal. Now they were friendly and polite. I took this as meaning they realized how wrong they were. I am not sure why they didn’t just drop the charge altogether due to this, but I can only assume they weren’t not aware of how to make this situation ‘right’ again.

I asked the sergeant what I needed to do about pressing the same disorderly conduct charge on the actual aggressor. He informed me I could make a written statement and they would submit it to the court who would decide if a warrant would be issued for his arrest. I agreed to this, but said I would like to do this the following night. I had enough going on that night and Anna was waiting and likely worried about me. The sergeant left the room and Officer Flood explained the property form and had me sign it to say I was being given back my property. The Sergeant returned with a Lieutenant. The Lieutenant was not polite or friendly like the other officers. He was actively angry. He informed me that I would not be pressing charges on the aggressor because I had not called the police at the scene (already one of my only regrets from the night). I informed him that I had done nothing wrong since open carry was legal and that I was unclear of why I was being charged. His explanation basically consisted of the incident being my fault because I was carrying a firearm openly. I disagreed because I am not aware of any law that states that carrying a firearm waives your rights to not be verbally assaulted in front of everyone in a pool hall. The Lieutenant loudly informed me that he ‘didn’t want to hear my lawyer talk’. I laughed and decided the discussion was not going anywhere since I could not believe the level of arrogance being put forth. I am not sure if this was posturing to try and defend a shaky charge or if this kind of behavior is standard policy for a person who has already had the officers from the scene admit he was right. At this point the Lieutenant decided to launch into a tirade about how if he didn’t care about what I was saying and that if I carried a firearm onto a school’s property I would be arrested. I briefly questioned this and tried to mention that he was comparing two different things. Carry on K-12 property is not legal, while open carry is. He didn’t want to hear it. I don’t know if he truly doesn’t understand basic Connecticut firearm laws or if he was just trying to intimidate me out of open carrying. After all, his theory seemed to be that if I open carried a firearm again I could be arrested for any reason since I apparently would be waiving all of my rights. Very dangerous levels of ignorance to the law prevailed in this conversation. I gladly took the opportunity to stop talking to him and I turned back to the officers. Officer Flood escorted Anna and I out of the police department and handed me my firearm and property in the parking lot. As I left I was sure to shake the hands of all the officers present and thank them for their help. I figured they had done enough to make sure that they fixed their ignorance and their wrongful arrest. It was pretty clear the Lieutenant was the only one in the room who believed in the charge. I can only assume he is the one who insisted on the charge. After all, he wanted me to be thankful for issuing me a promise to appear for being arrested for a lawful activity.

In the parking lot, we said goodbye to Officer Flood and I shook his hand as well. I told him I was sorry that this was going to turn out badly for him. He replied that he knew and that he was ready for it. We departed the police department after we were able to break all the zip ties off my Glock that were holding the slide open and load the magazines that were unloaded for no reason.

 

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